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and we're live so guys thank you

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everyone on instagram here on youtube

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somewhere else thank you so much and

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thank you tim mcmillan for agreeing to

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do this it's much appreciated

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no absolutely man it's great uh thanks

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for having me on i know uh disclosure

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team has been a big fan of the debrief

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stuff so i've had my eye on you guys and

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so it's it's nice to finally get a

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chance to sit down and chat

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thank you so much i appreciate that yeah

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we've been

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definitely paying you guys a lot of

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um big fan yeah

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so let's talk about the debrief what

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prompted you to start it

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sure well we can also jump back maybe

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even a bit further into your career

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beforehand if you want

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sure yeah uh it's uh it's kind of a

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mixed bag of happenstances and accidents

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in law enforcement and so almost uh

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where i was mostly investigations

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security stuff and then uh in addition

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fine i ended my career out and as the

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assistant uh patrol commander so in a

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management position a boring unfun

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enforcement i did a little stint as a

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intelligence analyst for a private firm

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uh i decided to you know i'd always had

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investigating i mean like it's i got

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solving mysteries

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so i wanted i figured i'd throw my hat

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do investigative reporting you know and

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figure what you know

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to when things were really kicking off

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2017 new york times and everything's in

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the news and the pentagon is is talking

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about ufos

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thinking man

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this is a big deal

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i had an interest in the subject uh

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preceding that

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after i ironically enough had had my own

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sighting you know it's uh

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categorically unidentified but i won't

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say that it's near as dramatic as some

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other people's but you know i seen

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something that was weird in the sky i

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still don't have a prosaic explanation

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for and so it had this kind of interest

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in it and so suddenly when the topic uh

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they're talking about the department of

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of the defense and intelligence i

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thought man this is a big deal this is

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and uh i didn't really i didn't feel

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like there was there was a lot of good

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investigative reporting on that i didn't

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see a lot of people digging into it uh

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news pieces so they're just kind of

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report you know they're just reporting

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but nobody's digging per se and so i

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thought you know i could do this

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uh you know they say it's just kind of

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i just figured i'll try it out what the

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heck and uh ended up you know writing

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for popular mechanics vice a little bit

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for the war zone and uh the nash or the

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washington examiner before finally

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once again saying you know what well i

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think we could do this let's launch our

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jumping in and found in the debrief

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nice and were you in

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america at the time when all that sort

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of kicked off yes i was in america at

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the time i actually i live in germany

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department of defense so that that also

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impetus to make you leap um into doing

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what you know into us launching the

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debrief and even me riding full time

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suddenly i'm in germany you know where

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you know there's a few you know i could

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so that's what uh got us launched into

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the debrief in itself to answer that

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kind of first question that you said you

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know what is the debrief you know our

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tagline is rebelliously curious and it

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kind of encapsulates what

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we look at who we are both uh you know

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all of us as the founders and as

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everybody that we have on the team as

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in that there's a lot of very

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interesting things not just ufos or uap

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what we do although i think

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we we're well known for it uh hopefully

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for the good reasons that we've done

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some good reporting on it but uh

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there's a lot of other things you know

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that's fascinating this is cutting edge

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breakthrough science people who

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are looking at things that will you know

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what we call disruptive technology you

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know it's the the equivalent of

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like this is a disruptive i mean you

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world around you or even the internet

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to not only have a live conversation

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three different social platforms right

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really interesting stuff that's out

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mj banias mj and i had been writing for

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vice together for a while

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is this segment of the population who's

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interested in breakthrough science space

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uh you know sci-fi meets science fact

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collective they're interested in all of

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goonies basically we're still hunting

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one eye willie's treasure here

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stories as well because

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you know it's just a it comes out of

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passion as well just something it's like

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we've got it if you don't try it you

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never know where it might go so

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it's like anything you launch a business

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there's ups and downs um and it's a lot

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of work a lot more work than people uh

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some of the best compliments i i see are

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actually probably not intended that way

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the debrief is state sponsored cia

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meeting all this stuff and i'm like

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okay we're not but i'm thinking wow

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that's at least people view it as is you

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know a professional organization that's

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backed by a government or something yeah

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and so that's good you know because at

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everything that everybody sees really

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for kind of year one and it's nice to to

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be able to do that and then not also

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conglomerate you know we have a lot of

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freedom to report on stuff we don't have

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dumb don't report on that or don't look

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kooky little x-files theme music let's

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very familiar with um you know including

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some of the big name shows we're calling

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saying hey can we set up a meeting can i

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talk to you like we need you to get us

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up to speed and it was nice to to talk

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to the producers of some you know

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very well-known uh you know news

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television programs or well-known

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reporters to sit there and say well yeah

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i mean you you guys did it you showed it

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can be done right you showed that it can

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to be able to have that topic and bring

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it forward both for people who are very

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interested in the topic

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um

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i liking it a lot i look back on it as

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kind of like a lot of these um

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astrophysicists that you'll hear that

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started studying dark matter and and

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black holes well they did it because

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nobody else was and they're like yeah

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look into it and now it's something

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that's mainstream

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yeah absolutely we're just sticking with

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the kind of the june 25th preliminary

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assessment and that how did you feel in

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you know when it was announced

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180 days prior to that did you

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set your expectations in at a particular

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level or

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or hopes

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well you know i'll be honest with you i

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i

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you know from uh 2004 to 2021 that means

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this is an ongoing thing you know it

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came out six months into it

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and so you know

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knowing how these are both prepared and

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all the eyes and all the hands that have

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to see it everybody has equities in it

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in the intelligence community

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i was blown away because you know these

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are things especially with the interest

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being what it was there's very little

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doubt in my mind these are things that

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the president of the united states would

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have heard about hey we're getting ready

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to release this he would have been

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briefed you know

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uh multiple principles in in all sorts

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of agencies and so to have it signed off

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at that level i was like wow

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because it's such a bureaucratic

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organization

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in the us

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that it's

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remarkable that that you could get that

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much out

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uh i know that a lot of people felt like

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well you know they wanted the pictures

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the videos they were hoping for like the

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roswell bodies rolling out but my

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expectations

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before that weren't nearly that high in

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fact i had been fortunate to kind of uh

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get a good pulse on the inner workings

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of what was going on in the task force

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and

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going on there

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and i knew there was some there was some

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resistance to it and so i knew that uh

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you know i kind of in a way expected

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something much tamer because there was a

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lot of

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internal resistance towards even this

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preliminary assessment and so i kind of

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expected

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uh

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i think my prediction was four pages

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including a cover page and so i think we

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got seven and and uh

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that was impressive i think it was there

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was a lot more information in there than

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i ever expected

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yeah no and the thing is as well i think

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there was a briefing held with the

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house intelligence committee on june the

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17th and i think there were rumors about

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some of these people coming out of the

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meeting you know aghast with what

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they've been told do you have any you

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know cause that was speculation

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obviously do you have any idea or

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you know was it

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a good briefing were the pictures and

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videos because we just hear so many

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different things these days

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you know i i wish i did and here's the

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thing is that i consider myself um you

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know

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being pretty well sourced on the subject

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when it comes to government just just

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mainly from from good old country work

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and tracking down people you know

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employing tactics that are used in law

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enforcement

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and uh and kind of knowing that world

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knowing how to navigate it and speak the

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same language so

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always tell people

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you're looking at me for ufos of uap

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really it's a government that's my

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that's my bag you know we there's you

381
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know people like micah write great

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pieces that are much more in depth and

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address the topic more than i do but

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this is my bags this is where i know

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and so uh but one thing with that is

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that um

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you know nobody in those capacity shares

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anything with me that would be

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considered top secret classified you

390
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know something that

391
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you know i try to avoid that quite

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frankly because

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i know that it's not going to go there

394
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so the information i get is is not

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classified and when it comes to those

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briefings that went on with both the

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senate intelligence committee or the

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house armed services committee those

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were closed door briefings classified

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and in that setting

401
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the only thing anyone can really talk

402
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about is a lot of what we saw in the

403
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news you know people coming out

404
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in their heads being like wow what is

405
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the heck's going on here but the actual

406
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true details that made them say that

407
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you know they remain somewhat of

408
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mysterious to me as well and it's it's

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difficult uh

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because you have to try to interpret the

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actions

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that lawmakers take afterwards and i

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think we've seen that with the recent uh

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you know proposal of two different bills

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from two different committees um

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this is something they're taking

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seriously so obviously whatever they've

418
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seen they consider to be serious what

419
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that is that's the big 10 million dollar

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question what is all the nitty-gritty

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details they've been told that makes

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them feel that

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you know i wish that i knew other than i

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will say that it would mirror

425
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what i have come to uh

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realize that the the really the

427
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disposition or posture of the people who

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have worked it let's say on the task

429
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force or other dod elements that have

430
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examined this stuff just in the last

431
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couple years it mirrors that same kind

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of sentiment that like now this is

433
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this is real like this is something that

434
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we've really got to look at this is

435
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really going on we really have

436
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uh good evidence to substantiate this is

437
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real well yeah that is another question

438
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but but it's not you know it's not swamp

439
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gas or

440
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seagulls or distant planes like this is

441
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a real thing

442
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um that in itself is pretty fascinating

443
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for me maybe that frustrates people they

444
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want me to find the roswell bodies but

445
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i'm like that alone is really the fact

446
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that you're willing to say like

447
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i really got a clue

448
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um that's

449
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that's interesting

450
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because uh you know there's a just a

451
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swath of capabilities to identify things

452
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that you you should be able to identify

453
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a lot

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even your your highly sophisticated

455
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stealth stuff you should have something

456
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a little something

457
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yeah no absolutely and then so obviously

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you mentioned the two bills that we just

459
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saw the uh s 26 10 and hr 4350

460
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you know do you think again it's

461
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speculation because then it's not set in

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stone what's going to happen with them

463
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yet do you do you foresee possible this

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permanent office becoming a reality

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i do i don't see any there's nothing in

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the the ether here that would maybe

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think that either one of those bills are

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not going to go through as is as written

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uh primarily because interestingly

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enough especially in the united states

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where in the last couple years has been

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such a political just dumpster fire like

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it's so polarized and everything

474
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is politicized and everybody takes a

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position and it's us against them

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this particular topic ironically enough

477
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is one that's bipartisan like everybody

478
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seems democrats republicans independents

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libertarians like everybody seems to go

480
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yeah no this is we need to look into

481
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this that alone is again fascinating you

482
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think about the things

483
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uh the the seemingly more significant

484
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issues maybe more pressing issues that

485
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people can't get along with like health

486
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care and all these other things but yet

487
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this everybody's like yeah

488
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this is significant

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so i don't i don't foresee there being

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any pushback in that obviously it's

491
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still got to work its way through both

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uh the house floor and the senate before

493
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it signed off was the president signed

494
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his law

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but there's nothing in the language of

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that that i would expect anybody to

497
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argue and big cure over

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nor does it set a specific

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dollar amount in a line item so

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sometimes you'll see them argue over the

501
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budgets but that's when something's

502
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earmarked just x number of dollars for

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the f35 so somebody might go ah that's

504
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way too much but in this one this is

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something that would appear to kind of

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fall into the one of these catch-all

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science technology

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intelligence

509
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type deals

510
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and because it is being authored right

511
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now that would fall under the under

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secretary of intelligence it would come

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out of the intelligence budget and so

514
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that part is interesting because we

515
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don't really know how much money they

516
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would have so we don't have a good idea

517
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big of an office but i

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i do and i think that that's um

519
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you know again it i don't think it's the

520
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quote-unquote disclosure a big reveal

521
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people want because they're not like all

522
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right everybody

523
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you know we're gonna do a live show and

524
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bring out the bodies

525
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but this you know

526
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ultimately if this passes you will have

527
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the first official permanent

528
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formal office

529
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solely designated to the ufos or uap

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since 1969 in the closure blue book and

531
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unlike blue book i'll add

532
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blue book was an air force

533
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endeavor so you only have one branch of

534
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the government this will be the first

535
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time uh that the u.s government is doing

536
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a

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defense so uh you know

538
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the best way i could put it for people

539
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to kind of

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in terms of the sprawling complex that

541
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is the dod is if the dude was walmart

542
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you know blue book was ran out of one of

543
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the stores one of the big stores an

544
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outlet store but now this office will be

545
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run out of headquarters and so there's a

546
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little muscle there's a little more

547
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backing behind it and so that in itself

548
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is

549
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it's really fascinating and you know

550
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especially when you consider that they

551
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did close in 1969 but the fact that it

552
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didn't just go away and uh you know i've

553
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said it

554
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if they closed when they closed in 69

555
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you know somebody forgot to let ufos

556
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know because they didn't go anywhere you

557
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know

558
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it didn't go away and so it's i think it

559
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will pass and i think uh it's a very

560
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very interesting turning point i think

561
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in my opinion

562
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,280
yeah no absolutely and were there any

563
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:59,120
specific details within either of the

564
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,559
two bills that really stood out to you

565
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,679
like wow they're actually going there

566
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:05,360
you know i

567
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,000
no it it seemed very standard other than

568
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,760
the the you know for me what i took away

569
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,360
significant especially with the uap

570
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,360
office was that uh you know they were

571
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,440
pretty explicitly saying this would have

572
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,840
significant authority and so you weren't

573
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,760
going to have the ability to you it

574
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,360
would kind of carry the authority of the

575
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,000
secretary of defense who you know

576
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,679
other than the president

577
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,600
you know he's the boss and so you'd have

578
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,360
this really broad

579
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:32,000
really strong muscle behind it i think

580
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:32,960
that

581
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,720
uh you know they use the word wanting

582
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,400
all the information all the details

583
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,480
including you know

584
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,640
captured blah blah blah blah exploit

585
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,039
like exploit has become the buzzword

586
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,960
right now yeah

587
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:50,880
uh i think that that's because most

588
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,919
people interpret that exploit is to mean

589
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,280
that uh

590
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,840
recovered ufos captured materials like

591
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,000
reverse engineering

592
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,720
um we're coming from that world

593
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,960
the word exploit is not nearly as sexy

594
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:07,520
as that you know it could be and i don't

595
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,799
want to i don't want to brain on

596
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,720
everybody's parade that is absolutely an

597
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:12,960
aspect in which that could define

598
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,640
but uh exploit is generally just used in

599
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,360
is there any meaningful or useful

600
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,280
information that can be ascertained and

601
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,280
so when they talk about exploit it could

602
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:25,039
merely be

603
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,919
they're

604
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,679
running statistical analysis they've got

605
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,919
all these these sightings captured on

606
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,840
film is there any

607
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,679
usable information that can be gained

608
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,919
from that that's exploited anything that

609
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,440
you can use

610
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:39,280
uh to give you an advantage but you know

611
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,159
again

612
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:42,799
at the same time in fairness uh if you

613
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,679
recovered a crashed foreign technology

614
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,159
well whether it be russian or chinese or

615
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,000
something else and you wanted to learn

616
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,440
how it works indeed that would be

617
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,840
exploited as well but but it that the

618
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,600
use of that word alone i think has

619
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,200
generated a lot more attention that

620
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,480
maybe it warrants as of right now i

621
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,320
don't think that that meant that nobody

622
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,480
was kind of winking and saying hey he

623
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,320
you know we've got him

624
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,480
yeah i think one thing that i've noticed

625
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,760
that a lot of people seem to be really

626
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,679
disappointed because obviously it's

627
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,360
going to all be classified this time

628
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,360
around for the foreseeable so people are

629
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,559
like oh well it's just going to get

630
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,000
buried again

631
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,919
i mean do you think there's

632
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,360
you know a positive

633
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:23,840
way we could you know say tell people

634
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,200
that it's it's still a positive step

635
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,720
well you know it's

636
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,880
if anything else it's legitimizing and

637
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,200
and i have been um

638
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,799
i have been honest in my opinion is

639
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,799
saying to people that one thing that

640
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,480
people should should understand is that

641
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,840
a lot of what they expect when we're

642
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,600
talking about where's the videos where's

643
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,919
the data where's that uh i always find

644
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,039
you're talking about something that

645
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,760
represents a scientific endeavor this is

646
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,000
the intelligence community they've all

647
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,240
they've been clear from that from day

648
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,720
one you know this is who's running this

649
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,080
show is the national security and

650
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,760
intelligence community

651
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,720
these are not ventures that are they

652
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,400
frankly care about anyone's idle

653
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,360
curiosity and and they're not here to

654
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,200
provide information and they're not

655
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,000
before public consumption so the public

656
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,760
can choose you know they could care less

657
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,750
100 certainty in this case they really

658
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,159
don't care they don't care

659
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,320
about the bickering that goes on and ufo

660
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,400
twitter like they just don't care

661
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,559
because it's not in their birth they're

662
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,400
just like yeah whatever dude think what

663
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,159
you want like there

664
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,400
there's nobody that on the task force

665
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,080
that's working on this that like jumps

666
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,520
on twitter it's like no you're an

667
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,480
[\h__\h] it is real uh you know

668
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,440
they don't care and so the problem there

669
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,840
is that means that this stuff is going

670
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,480
to remain kind of what they're doing to

671
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,000
a large degree

672
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,320
uh you know there there's strong

673
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,559
expectations that would remain hidden or

674
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,880
you know out of public eyes

675
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,440
uh you know especially because in these

676
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,400
sectors

677
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,159
you're looking at so it doesn't matter

678
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,960
if it's chinese russian or alien

679
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,320
you're looking at vulnerabilities to

680
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,679
your national defense you know something

681
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,159
can fly with unity and you don't know

682
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,520
what it is that's a vulnerability to

683
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,880
your national defense and that's not

684
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,559
something you advertise because even if

685
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,440
it is alien suddenly your near peer

686
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,679
competitors potential adversaries like

687
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,520
ooh you know here they leave a key

688
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,279
underneath the rock by the back door we

689
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,480
can get in

690
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,080
so that's something that you're just not

691
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,039
going to see advertise however

692
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,120
when you see that type of investment

693
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,279
there's some legitimacy to it so you

694
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,840
know it's not just some kooky whatever

695
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:35,919
people's kind of stigma or expectations

696
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,400
are and this is where i i've said that i

697
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,880
think it's incumbent upon now

698
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,159
that uh

699
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,159
the scientific

700
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,760
institutions

701
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,440
should be the ones leading the charge in

702
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,760
terms of that public quote-unquote

703
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,840
disclosure or providing that evidence

704
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,200
the data

705
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,880
you know we have seen you know some

706
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,360
positive things like the galileo project

707
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,240
being launched by uh avi loeb at harvard

708
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,799
you know i think those type of efforts

709
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,400
are very interesting because that is

710
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,840
where you know

711
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,760
unlike everything i just said about the

712
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,279
defense and intelligence community the

713
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,360
scientific community is exact opposite

714
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,279
in order to be legitimate it must be

715
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,520
public-facing it must provide the data

716
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,679
it must show their results and how they

717
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,600
arrived at those conclusions

718
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,440
and so i you know i think that in my

719
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,440
opinion now

720
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,080
having the muscle of the defense

721
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:28,640
industry saying yes this is a real thing

722
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,880
i i hope we see more galileo projects or

723
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,559
obviously

724
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,440
you know

725
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,840
nobody's going to have as nice as stuff

726
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,559
and surveillance as as the government as

727
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,559
the u.s government but the us government

728
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,120
has uh scientific components to it as

729
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:47,120
well you know nasa being one of nasa's

730
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,320
saying that they were going to look into

731
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,799
this you know so there are public

732
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,960
forward facing you know scientific

733
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,960
components both in government both in

734
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,960
public institutions or private

735
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:58,960
individuals private companies can come

736
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,080
forward i think that uh may end up

737
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,240
ultimately being the biggest impact

738
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,320
simply because they you know in the

739
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,159
right setting there's nothing they're

740
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,480
unchanged you know there's no ivy lobe

741
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,960
doesn't have an nda avilo doesn't worry

742
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,799
about it you know they i talked to them

743
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:16,880
at the galileo project and you know they

744
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,279
said they they have no desire whatsoever

745
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,880
to work with anything

746
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:22,240
classified they don't want to deal with

747
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,120
it because they want it to be

748
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559
public-facing

749
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,640
and so i hope that that's

750
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,200
kind of where uh you know maybe the next

751
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,000
step will come um but we'll see at the

752
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,320
same time

753
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,159
if i've learned nothing in this topic

754
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,679
for the last couple years covering it

755
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,520
it's that it doesn't really matter what

756
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,360
i expect is going to happen because it's

757
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,480
just

758
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,480
it's going to you know i think the dod

759
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,600
is going to do one thing and they just

760
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,360
do something totally different

761
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,279
yeah

762
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,120
this time next year we may be talking

763
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,840
about the the treasure trove of videos

764
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,559
and and photos and data that the

765
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,720
the dod has just decided to release who

766
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,000
knows you know

767
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,200
be interesting i mean i want to see it

768
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,960
i think everyone doesn't i think that's

769
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,440
the thing that people now are they're

770
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,880
taking their focus away from the

771
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,159
government and they're looking at these

772
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,000
scientific institutions such as the

773
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,000
galileo project but also

774
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,960
people like um uapx as well those kind

775
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,200
of entities i think people are really

776
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:21,679
switching their expectations on them and

777
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,399
let's hope not too much but

778
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:26,240
yeah i mean what do you think

779
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,080
sure no i i do and and i think that um

780
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,760
i think that it's important that you

781
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,440
know i recognize that

782
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,080
there's nobody that has the

783
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,080
technical capabilities or capacity to to

784
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:42,240
gather data on

785
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,360
other

786
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:45,919
devices of unknown origin

787
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,600
than the united states apparatus so

788
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:51,039
including its allies and everything i

789
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,159
realize that

790
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,320
but at the same time you know i think

791
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:55,679
it's important to recognize that at

792
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,640
least it faced value uh and and if you

793
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,240
looked at the just the preliminary

794
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,880
assessment and again this is not just uh

795
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,039
a group of people who signed off on this

796
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,559
this is you know what was released was

797
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,000
signed off by the director of national

798
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,679
intelligence the secretary of defense i

799
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,600
mean there's a list of

800
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,760
principal high-level people who would

801
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,360
have had to sign off on this who agreed

802
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,760
with that assessment saying okay we

803
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,000
don't know so what that tells you is

804
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,159
even with that

805
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,480
mass apparatus of surveillance and

806
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:26,960
intelligence they still don't know so

807
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,080
that doesn't preclude somebody like uapx

808
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:31,760
the galileo project

809
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,640
from answering that question for the

810
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,120
public because

811
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:39,520
it evidently doesn't matter if you've

812
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,559
got a you know an rq 180 spy drum

813
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,240
because you still don't know and so

814
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,840
there is a lot of potential in there

815
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,000
especially given the fact that

816
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,480
technologies are constantly becoming

817
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,799
more available and cheaper i mean it's

818
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,840
not out of the realm of possibility it's

819
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,840
probably a slightly more expensive than

820
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,840
me or you could afford the idea of

821
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,640
having surveillance uh satellites having

822
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,399
you know to launch your own satellite

823
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,559
there's plenty of very small

824
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,720
companies that are that are doing just

825
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,720
that so any one of those companies says

826
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,000
hey you know what

827
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,919
let's let's program one of these bad

828
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,440
boys to start checking things out and

829
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,600
see if we can find something uh that's a

830
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,760
real possibility and i think that that's

831
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,399
uh that exists and that's something it's

832
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,080
only gonna get better as we see ai

833
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,399
there's a lot of ways that i think

834
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,960
the ability to examine this topic is

835
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,240
just uh

836
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,760
it's it's definitely better than it was

837
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,919
back in the 50s and 60s during the first

838
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,080
efforts that's for sure

839
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,679
yeah absolutely now one thing you just

840
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,679
mentioned there was you used the phrase

841
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:44,320
devices of unknown origin now this was a

842
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,520
huge

843
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,600
multi-part article accompanied with

844
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,840
videos that you released back in june

845
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,919
can you talk us through why you did that

846
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,760
and why you felt it was needed and the

847
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,600
process behind it

848
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,480
sure yeah that was something i you know

849
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,080
i had been working on for a while you

850
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,760
know not sitting down and putting it on

851
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,520
paper but just everything that goes into

852
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,480
that

853
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,000
and so

854
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,000
you know the the initial story with the

855
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,520
puerto rico um ufo that happened back in

856
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,640
the 60s you know i had originally talked

857
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,399
to that witness and gotten that whole

858
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,919
story

859
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,760
over a year ago so there's a lot of

860
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:21,440
things that go into this

861
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,799
and i just felt like you know my plan

862
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,039
you the idea to to really put that out

863
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,720
cam only came a couple weeks before we

864
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,399
started publishing it

865
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,440
because i just

866
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,000
knew that the you know it came at a time

867
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,520
where there was significant media

868
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,200
attention i think 60 minutes had just

869
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,240
done their deal yeah so you had a lot of

870
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,559
attention going on the topic but it was

871
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,720
becoming breathless meaning that it was

872
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,799
everybody was competing for who could

873
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,960
get out the latest kind of thing quick

874
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,399
quick quick

875
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,399
and it wasn't very substantial and i

876
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,480
thought you know once this thing comes

877
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:56,720
out who knows what it's going to say

878
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,559
but i think it would be nice to give

879
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,640
kind of a broad

880
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,679
larger

881
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,240
more comprehensive overview of this

882
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,480
topic without going into the weeds and

883
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:11,120
having to write a book so you know

884
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,000
so

885
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,159
just use one case

886
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,080
that demonstrates this is not something

887
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,000
new you know this is something that has

888
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,440
gone on back to the 60s here in fact

889
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:24,080
here is a military eyewitness in that

890
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,960
case

891
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,960
uh in addition the fact we have radar

892
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,519
data we have pilot video in a ways it

893
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,159
was very similar to the nimitz yeah

894
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,399
without we didn't have the gun camera

895
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,919
you know but

896
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,519
very much similar and in fact in this

897
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,799
case we had the scope images

898
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,399
and which we included we published with

899
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,159
there so we had all this information and

900
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,440
thought i thought it was interesting for

901
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,120
people to realize this is this is a not

902
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,919
new so this is a lingering thing

903
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,399
and then also to get some clarification

904
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,480
on you know bringing it to the modern

905
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,399
day and that was the the second part of

906
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,640
that where i just featured ryan graves

907
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:02,559
yeah is i had spoken to him in i've you

908
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,279
know

909
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,039
felt like he he was such a compelling

910
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,480
eyewitness

911
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,559
in growing up and being around people in

912
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,159
the military and knowing you you

913
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,519
recognize that this is the guy who's got

914
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,919
his stuff together like this is this is

915
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,440
a solid guy

916
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,000
and so i felt like that aspect of it

917
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,399
needed to be conveyed

918
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,480
just focusing on him

919
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,840
so kind of

920
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,000
let people know hey this isn't new

921
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,840
and we've got plenty of data there was

922
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,679
plenty of opportunities going back to

923
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,679
the 60s and then now today this is

924
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,159
ongoing uh and it was it was

925
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,000
advantageous that that you know graves

926
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,120
encounters were relatively close to

927
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,640
puerto rico relatively close to this

928
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,640
first incident so you know we've gotten

929
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,399
some connection there

930
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,279
and then kind of rounded out with um

931
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,440
my interview with ray mabus who's the

932
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,120
former secretary of the navy he's the

933
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,279
second longest secretary of the navy in

934
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:54,640
u.s history

935
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,320
and really somebody who has held

936
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,559
numerous high-level positions

937
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:01,519
um

938
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,640
both of the the governor uh and of

939
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,880
mississippi down to the ambassador to

940
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,120
saudi arabia and so as a secretary of

941
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,960
the navy was fortunate because i had

942
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,039
spoken to ray several times before i

943
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,799
ever started talking to him about ufos

944
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,279
you know talking about just navy issues

945
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,559
and his time as the secretary of the

946
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,519
navy

947
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
and he's one of the nicest people in the

948
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,440
world it's it's

949
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,120
you kind of forget that this guy held

950
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,600
these kind of positions because it's

951
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,960
it's like sitting on your porch with

952
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,480
your neighbor like it's just he's a

953
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:32,000
really great guy

954
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:33,279
and i thought it was very interesting

955
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,120
because he in that position you know

956
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,640
acknowledge hey oh yeah these things

957
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,679
happen you know i'd seen these videos

958
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,200
but even he

959
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,519
didn't know what they were and was kind

960
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,120
of at a loss for

961
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,519
what are these things you know and he's

962
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,919
tried those answers he got lost and and

963
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,960
i thought

964
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,480
it was important

965
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,440
to convey from from his side because it

966
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,120
matched and mirrored

967
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,200
so many other uh you know senior

968
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,039
officials who i've spoken to

969
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,039
whether it's on background or on the

970
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,399
record

971
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,320
about this topic where they say you know

972
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,520
i'm always like well what do you mean it

973
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,960
just ended without i don't know

974
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,119
everybody's like it's weird i don't know

975
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,119
and they're always you know the kind of

976
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,720
sentiment is yeah i know i guess in

977
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,440
hindsight saying that now

978
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:21,280
it sounds bad

979
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,000
but

980
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,839
you know what they want to convey it to

981
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,839
people is yet to understand is that at

982
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,079
this same time when i'm getting you know

983
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,320
briefed on this i've got north korea

984
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,000
saying they're going to bomb us i've got

985
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:33,919
syria going up in flames i've got

986
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,639
afghanistan going in terminal

987
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,599
there's so many things impressing

988
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,359
and in fact seeing life or death you

989
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,040
know there's people chanting death to

990
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,240
america and they're gonna bomb us and so

991
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,599
they're just like

992
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,159
whatever it is it's not bombing us

993
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,399
and so you know my focus

994
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,000
and uh you know

995
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:56,240
in the same vein lots of people saying

996
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,040
you know

997
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,760
it's just outside the box of what

998
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,760
you're you're trying to do or trying to

999
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,800
deal with

1000
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,440
so i mean i think people have this

1001
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,200
image or view of what somebody once they

1002
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,800
reach general or the secretary of the

1003
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:10,160
navy like well they've got all the

1004
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,200
answers like they're going to grab the

1005
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,200
phone and say ah damn it

1006
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,599
you've solved the problem for me

1007
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,440
uh but these are people who have you

1008
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,240
know

1009
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,079
largely grown up and and they've given

1010
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,520
their experience their life to reach the

1011
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,599
positions that they're in you know you

1012
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,040
you're on the joint chiefs of staff like

1013
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,280
you've arrived like you did it

1014
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,920
uh you you probably went to to west

1015
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,440
point or one of the military academies

1016
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,599
you spent your life for this moment you

1017
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:36,079
know how to uh fight warfare you know

1018
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,280
how to war game you know how to

1019
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,040
strategize you know how to try to make

1020
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,920
your forces put in the best position

1021
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,359
that if they have to go into a conflict

1022
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,640
they'll win

1023
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,240
and then you throw something like this

1024
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:48,079
in the mix well this isn't something

1025
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,230
west point and i i've often said that

1026
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:56,320
again it may not sound like the best

1027
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:57,359
thing

1028
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,400
but i can absolutely see how you know if

1029
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,760
you're talking about the joint chiefs so

1030
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:03,680
you're talking about a combat commander

1031
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,599
who this comes across their desk to say

1032
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,680
yeah this is this is a really really

1033
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,920
important and really really significant

1034
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,280
and i really want you to hand this to

1035
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,440
the next guy that gets in my chair

1036
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,920
because once you reach that level

1037
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,599
you got four years before you know and

1038
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,920
then you're done like you've reached the

1039
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,760
mountain and then it's just off to

1040
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,359
playing golf all day and you've reached

1041
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,359
it and so the idea of saying this is

1042
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,000
outside of what i know how to deal with

1043
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,400
uh maybe i've thought my whole life this

1044
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,800
is bs and you're telling me it's real

1045
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,320
and i don't really know how to deal with

1046
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,400
this so i'm not going to

1047
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,960
it's kind of laundry that you've got

1048
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:43,040
piled up that you want to fold but

1049
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,480
you're just like i don't even want to

1050
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,480
start like it just keeps piling up so

1051
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,520
high that it's going to be a pain in the

1052
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,359
ass now so i'm just going to ignore it

1053
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,880
and keep ignoring it

1054
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,079
and so that was

1055
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,520
you know hopefully you know that was

1056
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,599
what i was going for in that and then a

1057
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:57,200
lot of people keep asking me about part

1058
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,000
four

1059
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,400
yeah i was going to bring that up

1060
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,240
great

1061
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:04,800
yeah i'm poor i'm pulling a uh a george

1062
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,720
c martin here yeah the uh

1063
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,960
on on my part four where you're you're

1064
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,119
lingering and then damn's gonna be an

1065
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,320
old man and die before apartment

1066
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,280
and that was uh

1067
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,520
purposefully done and so i mean

1068
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,040
typically four is an odd number anyway

1069
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,320
you know you think of the trilogy you're

1070
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,640
like what you know what well there's no

1071
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,720
such thing as a four-part series what is

1072
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,079
it

1073
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,880
what is this dude doing and that was

1074
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,640
kind of purposely done because the first

1075
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,480
three kind of set the stage and that

1076
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,000
part four

1077
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:41,280
uh the intent behind that is maybe to

1078
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,680
offer some resolution to all all of it

1079
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:47,119
and

1080
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:48,320
that

1081
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:49,520
hasn't

1082
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,599
to ready to present

1083
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,800
you know so we don't have that

1084
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,000
resolution

1085
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,920
so you know unless you watch the hbo

1086
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,599
series you don't know what happens with

1087
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,520
the with the white walkers and

1088
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,960
in game of thrones

1089
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,480
uh you know

1090
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,520
so

1091
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:06,400
it's

1092
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,200
anything but it was always something

1093
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,920
that uh you know i realized

1094
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,400
in doing this there's a i didn't break

1095
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,000
the mold too much the first three were

1096
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,680
supposed to kind of stand alone and you

1097
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,599
could walk away with them the part four

1098
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,200
was gonna be

1099
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,520
some resolution and different things and

1100
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,800
and

1101
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,640
interestingly enough that's

1102
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,160
not interestingly anybody's father's

1103
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,240
topic that's not always easy and so it's

1104
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,359
fine can you find any resolution maybe

1105
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,040
not tell people

1106
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,240
what they are but can you find some

1107
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:42,160
resolution that someone can move forward

1108
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,880
to

1109
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,520
and so that's the goal with part four

1110
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,599
but but uh i totally understand why but

1111
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,520
that's what i said i'm i'm pulling the

1112
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,960
george c martin here i'm the dude that

1113
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,320
everybody's like are you gonna finish

1114
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,520
the series what's happening

1115
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,880
no that's good i think everyone would

1116
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,359
appreciate that clarification um so yeah

1117
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:02,079
thank you so much um a case that i

1118
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,119
actually wanted to speak to you about

1119
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,560
that i've been really following closely

1120
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,720
since it happened was the the tucson

1121
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,160
drone case

1122
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,280
um

1123
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,720
you know with the helicopter and stuff

1124
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,240
like that what are your thoughts on that

1125
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:14,560
case because i keep switching between

1126
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,839
drone and then back to uap and

1127
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,839
it's a bizarre one

1128
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,320
you know and i'll say up front i haven't

1129
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,880
followed it as much as probably people

1130
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,040
would have liked um i think brett

1131
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,560
tingley who's a friend of mine has done

1132
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,320
a great job keeping that and hounding

1133
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,839
that in the war zone and so uh you know

1134
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,599
and i'm good friends with tyler over

1135
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,200
there who runs the war zone so it's one

1136
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,599
of those weird things where uh media

1137
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,440
companies aren't nearly as competitive

1138
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:43,280
at times sometimes they get along and so

1139
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,480
you're like hey you guys are doing great

1140
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,400
work and i'm going to focus my energy on

1141
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,000
something else so i haven't really dug

1142
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,839
into it but i think brett's done great

1143
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,040
work with it

1144
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:52,880
uh down to the fact that i think just

1145
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,760
recently his piece where they had the

1146
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,680
report from the border patrol or maybe

1147
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,920
it was the tucson police but either with

1148
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,280
the latest report that came out where

1149
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,400
they identified it as a quadcopter

1150
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,920
so suddenly they were like okay this is

1151
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,000
probably a drone then i mean well

1152
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,800
obviously it's a drone um

1153
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:12,319
but the proceeding reports sound

1154
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,359
interesting because you're talking about

1155
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,000
high performance that it's outperforming

1156
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,920
a helicopter it's outperforming all

1157
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,359
these types of things

1158
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,200
i think that there's definitely

1159
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,440
a lot of things still lingering there

1160
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,599
yeah flight time i mean you know even if

1161
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,520
we're talking a quadcopter like what the

1162
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,800
heck kind of quadcopter is this

1163
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,520
um so it's interesting it's interesting

1164
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,800
uh

1165
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,720
because it you know

1166
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,400
knowing what i know that even though

1167
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,000
it's it's written in a report that's

1168
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,400
quad copter and you're seeing rhetoric

1169
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,400
it doesn't necessarily mean there

1170
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,040
it is i mean it's not easy to see things

1171
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,440
uh in the air like especially when

1172
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,520
they're small it's not easy to get

1173
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,920
distinguishable features on something

1174
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,359
uh you know

1175
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,960
case in point it's not easy that's the

1176
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,480
thing when people get it you know

1177
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,800
frustrated well if their ufos existed

1178
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,160
you know why don't we have any good

1179
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,599
photos of them

1180
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,359
i hear that a lot

1181
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,520
and uh

1182
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,760
we'll go out you know i challenge those

1183
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,760
same people here everybody's got a cell

1184
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,359
phone nowadays why don't we have any

1185
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,560
other good videos or videos

1186
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,280
go outside and try to film a commercial

1187
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,800
airplane flying at 35 000 feet with your

1188
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,760
iphone and tell me what that looks like

1189
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,920
now try to do that at night time and

1190
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,400
tell me what that looks like

1191
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,520
and

1192
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,040
that's just

1193
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:34,560
now we're talking about an object that

1194
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,280
is 350 feet in length with a wingspan of

1195
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,119
300 feet so we're talking about a very

1196
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,920
large object yeah and you're on that at

1197
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,680
35 000 feet now if you're talking about

1198
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,720
something smaller than that tell me what

1199
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,480
that looks like and so

1200
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,640
uh you know

1201
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,640
something that small at great distances

1202
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,079
or great speeds even when you're in the

1203
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,000
air in the helicopter

1204
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,480
i'm not certain that you could get a

1205
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,800
really good clear image of what you're

1206
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,200
looking at even even with the assistance

1207
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,560
of something like fleeter so

1208
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,480
i don't know i i'm i'm like everybody

1209
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,319
else right now i'm kind of

1210
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,319
tuning in because there's still some

1211
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,920
unanswered questions because even if

1212
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,119
it's going to be a drone well who the

1213
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,200
heck is

1214
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,160
who's thrown out there like that

1215
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,599
no absolutely

1216
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,359
and another case that i actually heard

1217
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,880
you talking about the other night with

1218
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,640
the guys at the unidentified celebrity

1219
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,240
review and this is something i've tried

1220
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,520
to look into

1221
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:32,480
is the

1222
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:36,720
mussolini ufo cases from 1930s where

1223
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,920
you know he had the organization rs 33

1224
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,760
looking into the subject apparently but

1225
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,520
we've only really seen

1226
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,440
three telegrams with regards to a

1227
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,760
potential crash in milan

1228
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,480
but

1229
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,240
i heard you talking about it and it felt

1230
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,359
like you had a little bit more

1231
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,280
information or were aware of more

1232
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,960
information

1233
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,240
well i don't know if i'm aware of any

1234
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,800
more information i i was made aware of

1235
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,640
the case because i think i was asked

1236
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,720
about the fact that i believe uh luis

1237
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:05,280
elizondo mentioned it about this 1933

1238
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:06,960
crash retrievals or something these

1239
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,920
telegrams yeah and yes some i think i

1240
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,520
was asking do you know what that's up

1241
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,280
and i'm like actually i do

1242
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,880
because i had just

1243
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,560
come back from there and i had just

1244
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,000
talked to the the people who were

1245
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,720
organizing uh project titan and this

1246
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,520
whole u.n push to to or try to push to

1247
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,400
get san marino to propose a uap world

1248
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,800
conference to the united nations and so

1249
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,319
i had kind of gotten the clean

1250
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,640
information uh it's not something i've

1251
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,560
had an opportunity to dig really deep

1252
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,720
into other than uh you know i believe

1253
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,480
that uh the copies are like the

1254
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,160
telegrams everything i got is probably

1255
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,800
the same as what's out there publicly

1256
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,760
uh it was interesting because

1257
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,680
you know who was talking to me about it

1258
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,599
were representatives

1259
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,839
of the italian government and who were

1260
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,839
interested in this aspect of it but

1261
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,599
we're like you know this is stuff that's

1262
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,440
been uncovered in archives and

1263
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,800
everything here

1264
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,119
uh in terms of like what happened to

1265
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,640
whatever

1266
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,640
if something crashed you know that

1267
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,480
remains a mystery

1268
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,720
uh so i mean that side of it is

1269
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,119
interesting uh because these officials

1270
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,640
seemingly should have been able to

1271
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,240
figure out they seem they

1272
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,440
should know if there's a uh if italy had

1273
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,880
a crashed ufo

1274
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,440
i think that uh it is something that

1275
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,599
will probably look into

1276
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,760
more in depth here in in the more near

1277
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,599
future simply because i

1278
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,839
i've gotten a good opportunity of not

1279
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,440
living too far from italy and having

1280
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,599
some good contacts there

1281
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:35,920
and it presents an interesting kind of

1282
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,119
conundrum to the idea of crash

1283
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,520
retrievals or you know these objects

1284
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,520
crash or just period that you recover

1285
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,359
something tangible from it

1286
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,440
because you know in one side i think

1287
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,000
it's easy to say that the idea of

1288
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:52,480
crashes and crash retrievals all stem

1289
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,599
from roswell it's a giant

1290
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,560
myth this is all just a huge myth

1291
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,760
which as you see

1292
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:02,079
you're talking about 1933 you're talking

1293
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,880
about

1294
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,440
uh before really this idea of quote

1295
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,839
flying saucers had taken off it's not

1296
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,480
you know this isn't in the zeitgeist and

1297
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,440
so that makes it very interesting it

1298
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,839
makes it interesting that it even in the

1299
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,640
in 1933 it's being presented that way in

1300
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,560
telegrams you know it would seemingly

1301
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:22,160
this is before

1302
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,359
uh

1303
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,599
this kind of popular the roswell

1304
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,800
popularity cross so i think see them you

1305
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,040
know before the flying saucer popular i

1306
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,040
mean we're talking about even before foo

1307
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,440
fighters so this is really early on

1308
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,359
so i think it's an interesting case and

1309
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,720
uh it's unfortunate

1310
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,560
like so many of these historical cases

1311
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,680
because you run into this point where

1312
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,760
for somebody like me you

1313
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,079
you lack eyewitnesses because people you

1314
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,240
know this is 80 years ago people have

1315
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,280
passed away they're no longer living

1316
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,920
and so you're like well what happened

1317
00:46:00,950 --> 00:46:00,160
to it you know what the heck happened

1318
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:00,960
here

1319
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,520
uh if you know whatever was covered even

1320
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,720
if it was just some kind of spy blimp

1321
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,560
from somebody from you know what what

1322
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,520
happened

1323
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,760
um and i don't know it's it's one of

1324
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,280
those difficult ones that i don't know

1325
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,800
if you can get that answer but i think

1326
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,400
it's interesting that the fact that it's

1327
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,119
even out there and given the time frame

1328
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,119
yeah absolutely and then you mentioned

1329
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,560
as well there project titan with san

1330
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,319
marino i mean what are your thoughts on

1331
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,400
that as a whole you know do you see it

1332
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,079
um

1333
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,640
becoming anything

1334
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,280
um i well i think right now it's in the

1335
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,440
hands of the san marino government and i

1336
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,800
don't really have any any uh

1337
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,280
indication elsewhere whether they're

1338
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,960
going to pick it up and and take it

1339
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,920
forward

1340
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,520
um you know

1341
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,200
part of i hope they do because i think

1342
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,400
it's interesting to see the entire uap

1343
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,960
topic enter more of a global discussion

1344
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,880
because i think that it's so monopolized

1345
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,640
by this discussion by the united states

1346
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,720
and the united states united states um

1347
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,319
you know it's u.s sacred technology

1348
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,240
evidently the u.s doesn't give a [\h__\h]

1349
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,920
about anybody's airspace they just fly

1350
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,920
everywhere and so

1351
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,079
you know if it is only bound in the us

1352
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,599
well then we can narrow it down it is

1353
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,160
the u.s but that's not the case you know

1354
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,000
people across the world see it

1355
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,240
and so uh you know it would be nice

1356
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,520
because they

1357
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,599
living in europe i'm fortunate to have

1358
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,760
the opportunity to talk to people

1359
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,359
outside of the u.s and it's always

1360
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,520
striking to to get some really great

1361
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,000
stories that come from other places and

1362
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:30,319
kind of see some consistency

1363
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,119
uh

1364
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,319
it's it's it's especially interesting to

1365
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,280
to

1366
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,800
that are aren't in english-speaking

1367
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,880
countries and so they're seeing this

1368
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,800
kind of consistency

1369
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,680
uh

1370
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,720
and so i think that they're accurately

1371
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,400
saying in order to solve this it needs

1372
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,800
to be a global type thing we've got to

1373
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,720
be able to piece this data together

1374
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,680
better

1375
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,079
than than just what's going on now and

1376
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,559
so i hope to see it uh come to fruition

1377
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,839
i know

1378
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,839
in in speaking you know to the

1379
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,079
organizers um

1380
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,559
in depth talking them considerably

1381
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,480
it's something that's being done

1382
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,160
very well it's very professionally

1383
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,480
presented there it's very well

1384
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,319
coordinated so it's not just this kind

1385
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,480
of ad hoc like you know it's not one of

1386
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,720
these where

1387
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,640
people jump on and sign a petition and

1388
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:22,319
everybody's going to storm area 51. you

1389
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,200
know

1390
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,760
facebook invite

1391
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:28,960
it was it is being put forward

1392
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,240
just like you would any other

1393
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,240
issue you know the only thing that

1394
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,520
people might think is weird about it is

1395
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,440
that it involves ufos you know if they

1396
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,880
were talking about world hunger climate

1397
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,359
change like oh this is a no-brainer yeah

1398
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:42,960
of course we need to do this

1399
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,079
so uh i certainly hope that it goes

1400
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,400
forward uh i think that the same kind of

1401
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,040
group of individuals uh certainly aren't

1402
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:52,800
limiting them

1403
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,079
so i know there are some other

1404
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,480
larger european organizations and

1405
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,160
different kind of global organizations

1406
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,640
that they're equally trying to get to

1407
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,720
establish something that would formalize

1408
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,960
this that would provide an opportunity

1409
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,480
for people across the world to kind of

1410
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,880
come together and solve this problem

1411
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,240
uh again i think it's kind of the

1412
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,559
extension of what i said earlier that i

1413
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,319
really do think is important is this

1414
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:21,359
more public-facing scientific approach

1415
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,240
to it

1416
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:25,119
rather than just all the governments you

1417
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,319
know because

1418
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,160
uh you know there's no doubt in my mind

1419
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,520
if i i know for a fact the the u.s

1420
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,119
side of things has

1421
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,119
uh to an extent coordinate with allies

1422
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,960
they have briefed they're especially

1423
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,040
their closest allies like with the the

1424
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,079
five eyes network so the uk canada

1425
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,240
australia new zealand they have

1426
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,000
discussed it with uh through some of

1427
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:49,280
their uh east asian partners uh south

1428
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,230
but this is not something again it's not

1429
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:58,319
they don't show uh the five eyes

1430
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,119
chatting on your local news station so

1431
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,280
this is more of private conversation so

1432
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,480
i think it would be

1433
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,640
extremely nice to see

1434
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:09,440
something in the the public uh format

1435
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,400
for it and so i'm hopeful uh but it's

1436
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,640
hard for me to predict what uh

1437
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,640
the san marino officials will i hope

1438
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,720
they do if they're if they're listening

1439
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,960
you know i i told the organizers i think

1440
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,920
that

1441
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,079
san marino uh

1442
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,240
is a little-known country landlocked in

1443
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:28,160
italy that happens to be

1444
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:32,240
uh the current still-running longest uh

1445
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:33,200
nation

1446
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,599
in the world and so

1447
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,200
what better i'm sure there was a lot of

1448
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,880
people that read that article who went

1449
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,119
san marino where's that

1450
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,040
guy i got fussed at initially because i

1451
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,359
said in san marino italy like i thought

1452
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,920
this was a city in italy no it's not

1453
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,000
okay my bad and so you know i think that

1454
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,640
there's potential for it as a government

1455
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:57,200
to uh you know hosting something like a

1456
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,240
world conference where they're talking

1457
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,400
about will be very beneficial so it's

1458
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,640
one of those interesting things where uh

1459
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,319
even if they're not all on board with

1460
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,760
the uap thing yet maybe just the idea of

1461
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,200
being a hub

1462
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:11,040
where this type of thing could go on

1463
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,240
where you could have legitimate

1464
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,559
researchers and people discuss this

1465
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,880
in a global forum backed by the un they

1466
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:18,079
go hey yeah

1467
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,599
this is a good move

1468
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,119
make some tourism dollars if nothing

1469
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,040
else yeah i think that'd be great for

1470
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,000
san marino specifically definitely but i

1471
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,280
mean i think it's going to take time

1472
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,359
personally because we've here in the uk

1473
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,599
the conversation is certainly not public

1474
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:33,359
whatsoever almost like

1475
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,720
we're the the furthest behind it seems

1476
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,480
you know i brought this up on twitter

1477
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,839
the other day generated a lot of

1478
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,160
attention it's absolutely true all right

1479
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:45,040
yeah that uh that's true that in talking

1480
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,760
to

1481
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,880
uh

1482
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,119
people you know officials inside

1483
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,559
governments different governments so not

1484
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,240
just the united states

1485
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,520
um

1486
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:56,240
who said man the uk is the biggest

1487
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,680
blocker in this stuff like doesn't want

1488
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,160
uh you know doesn't want it even

1489
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,960
doesn't want us discussing it i mean not

1490
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,240
only do they not want to discuss it and

1491
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,680
i thought man that's so weird because it

1492
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:10,079
was different countries universally

1493
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,440
uh you know

1494
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,839
down to the fact that um

1495
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,160
you know i that there uh had been some

1496
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,400
resistance to even assisting the uap

1497
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,800
task force out of the government here

1498
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,760
you know

1499
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,359
which is really

1500
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,640
interesting people are like what does

1501
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:27,200
that mean i'm like i don't know i don't

1502
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,880
i think that it's it's

1503
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,480
interesting i've

1504
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,599
asked some people that come from the the

1505
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,920
uk intelligence side of things some

1506
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:38,000
people who have and we've reported on

1507
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,280
who have said

1508
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,440
yeah no no

1509
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,440
there were briefings by the uap task

1510
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,760
force you know i attended three of them

1511
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,040
you know i was like well what does your

1512
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:48,960
colleagues think

1513
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,680
they're kind of like yeah

1514
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,839
yeah they were like i think this is very

1515
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,680
very interesting like this is

1516
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,280
fascinating like this is not something

1517
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,359
that i was considering or thinking about

1518
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,280
beforehand but but coming in this

1519
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,280
fashion in such a formalized manner

1520
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,599
suddenly i'm like what's going on here

1521
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,520
and and but my colleagues are just like

1522
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:09,280
eh whatever

1523
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,319
so i don't

1524
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,160
i don't really

1525
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,400
i don't know what that means

1526
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,920
other than uh

1527
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,440
uh

1528
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,760
cultural institutional just kind of

1529
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,079
maybe goes back to that uh

1530
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,079
um what i was saying is why the same

1531
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,760
thing would happen in the hierarchy of

1532
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,599
the united states where you're like man

1533
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,480
maybe but like this is you know

1534
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:32,319
not this is outside of my purview of

1535
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,680
what i do

1536
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,760
and you know i'm i'm focused on this and

1537
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,680
there's these threats there's these real

1538
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,680
world threats let's worry about that

1539
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,440
i don't know it is it's inches it's

1540
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,680
particularly interesting giving

1541
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,119
how much it's being discussed in the

1542
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,520
united states because uh

1543
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,680
you know the uk and the united states

1544
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,240
are very very very close and especially

1545
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,160
in the intelligence community so there's

1546
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,839
a lot of

1547
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,240
liaison sharing and so you have people

1548
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:01,119
out of uh like gchq

1549
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,720
or mi5 or mi6 who you know they come

1550
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,720
over and do stints in the united states

1551
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,440
it's very very common for uh people from

1552
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,520
gchq to come and spend two or three

1553
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,359
years working in the nsa and likewise

1554
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,440
somebody from the nsa going to gchq like

1555
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,040
it's very

1556
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,960
you know the uk and the us are really

1557
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:21,119
the closest when it comes to especially

1558
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,480
in intelligence

1559
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,760
and so you not just you know

1560
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,599
formal briefings so you're getting your

1561
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,359
formal briefing but informally there's

1562
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,880
no two countries that have better

1563
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,599
informal ties that you would expect uh

1564
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,040
people from either side to be sitting

1565
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,040
around the water cooler saying hey man

1566
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,760
you see 60 minutes last night did you uh

1567
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,520
you know did you see this or that or did

1568
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,839
you check out such and such on whatever

1569
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,160
drive share folder what's going on

1570
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,839
and um

1571
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:50,000
it just seems like that's not

1572
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,119
going on

1573
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,760
but uh i will caveat all of that to

1574
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:56,160
saying that uh

1575
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,400
understandably i'm not privy to evenness

1576
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:03,440
i'm privy to a very small fraction of of

1577
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,799
anything remotely and so though that was

1578
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,559
the impression given to me by several

1579
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,760
people

1580
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,280
that doesn't necessarily mean it's

1581
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:13,040
completely accurate you know for all i

1582
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,079
know

1583
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,359
you

1584
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,839
the u.s and uk like so many other issues

1585
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,000
they may strap in like the three-legged

1586
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,400
race and and they may be looking at uap

1587
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,720
together hand-in-hand and it goes i

1588
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,280
guess it goes back to uh

1589
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,599
to what i said very early on is that

1590
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,520
they are seriously investigating it and

1591
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,319
so me saying man the ua uk doesn't seem

1592
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,640
to care they may be very very intimately

1593
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,079
involved and i'm unaware of that and

1594
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:40,160
they just don't care what i think yeah

1595
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,359
let them think what he wants i don't

1596
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,839
care like i have a job to do i hope so i

1597
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,000
do hope so because it's uh there are

1598
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,720
such close ties there and i think um

1599
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,359
in so many so many facets i think that

1600
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,319
uh down to the fact that the uk would

1601
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,079
would probably

1602
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,359
uh and and probably has been able to

1603
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,240
tell them that it's most that it's not

1604
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,079
likely russian because their

1605
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,920
intelligence in the russian sector is

1606
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:08,079
you know they rely on that considerably

1607
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,040
and so

1608
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,680
i'd imagine that a minimum the you know

1609
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,400
conversations beyond the even the people

1610
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,799
that i've spoken to

1611
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,799
that that part has probably gone on

1612
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,319
because the uk has such a really good

1613
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,280
pulse on russia and so it those when

1614
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,839
they say that it's uh likely not russian

1615
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:27,920
or chinese that's probably so there

1616
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,799
probably is some more sharing yeah let's

1617
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,160
hope so and i think it's just going to

1618
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:34,240
be a bit of a patience and waiting game

1619
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:35,119
so

1620
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,599
yeah i think uh yeah yeah and and uh

1621
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,200
you know ironically enough after i made

1622
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,280
that tweet i didn't i didn't expect too

1623
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,359
much attention but i actually got uh

1624
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,680
some emails from from reporters that i

1625
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,119
know that work in the uk they're like

1626
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,400
hey let's let's jump on the phone and

1627
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,799
chat because you know i saw what she

1628
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,799
said and let's um you know maybe you can

1629
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,839
help me out a little bit let's see if we

1630
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,559
can figure out and so you know that i

1631
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,240
think that's positive that you're going

1632
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,599
to see that because oftentimes that's

1633
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,440
where the media the power of a free

1634
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,079
press comes in is they can kind of push

1635
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:07,760
what the public is interested in or what

1636
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,390
yeah

1637
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,839
it's just frustrating because like you

1638
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,040
said we

1639
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,119
the uk we've always followed and hung on

1640
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,640
the coattails of the us followed

1641
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,920
everything they do and it just would

1642
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,760
have been the natural progression for us

1643
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,960
to follow in the

1644
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,680
the discussion with about uap is

1645
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,119
it's weird

1646
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,359
it is weird i think i i said that in my

1647
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,160
tweet i said i did you know the uk

1648
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,760
um

1649
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,559
went straight into the iraq war with the

1650
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,520
united states which is people are still

1651
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,880
wondering why we went to war there

1652
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,640
people are still like i don't know i

1653
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,240
still haven't figured it out

1654
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,839
and even kind of defended the reasons

1655
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,839
and you know the uk

1656
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,319
has always been you know really

1657
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,200
america's strongest ally there's great

1658
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,720
teamwork there there's great camaraderie

1659
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:56,640
a great partnership and so

1660
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,599
um

1661
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,440
you know that

1662
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,520
in talking my tweet out loud just now

1663
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:03,520
this interview it makes me think more

1664
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,480
that there probably is more behind the

1665
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,760
scenes

1666
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,839
going on there probably is better

1667
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,680
coordination just down to the fact that

1668
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:13,680
it's kind of like

1669
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,880
they're into something kooky that you're

1670
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,799
not into but it's your best buddies

1671
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,960
you're like all right you you know you

1672
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,200
you want to start weaving bracelets all

1673
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,720
right well show me what's going on and

1674
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,799
so you know like you do it because it's

1675
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,880
your best buddy and so i would think in

1676
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,359
that regard there probably is and i

1677
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,280
think especially if you have a uap

1678
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,640
office and as things get more formalized

1679
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,960
you kind of have to you know

1680
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,640
and i mean the last thing that you want

1681
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:42,000
and i think that

1682
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,599
i've talked to a lot of people from the

1683
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,920
ufo community who live in the uk and

1684
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,200
they talk about a lot of the pressure

1685
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,359
that they've put on political officials

1686
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,960
on it i think that's a good thing

1687
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,440
because i can tell you from from working

1688
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,119
in a localized government aspect the

1689
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,440
last thing that you want

1690
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,240
is to be asked something by your elected

1691
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,440
officials

1692
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,760
that you don't have an answer to

1693
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:06,160
so if you can get anybody to call down

1694
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,440
to the ministry of defense and say what

1695
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,440
is going on with this and everything

1696
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,599
um the last thing that you wanted to

1697
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,920
provide with an unsatisfactory answer

1698
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,319
and so you know that that can have

1699
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:18,720
impact because if nothing else it forces

1700
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,760
them to have an answer for somebody

1701
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,440
absolutely well listen tim we're just

1702
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,119
about hit an hour now so before we

1703
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,720
finish have you got anything you want to

1704
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,240
discuss as far as what's coming up in

1705
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,119
the future any plans or goals or aims

1706
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,799
for the debrief

1707
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,040
gosh there's a laundry list i've always

1708
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,680
got so much going on that's my problem

1709
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,280
there's not enough there's not enough

1710
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,880
hours in the day

1711
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,359
and uh i do have some some some

1712
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,960
interesting

1713
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,200
uap related stuff that's in the works

1714
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,599
that uh hopefully we'll get out on paper

1715
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,040
you know the definitely the goal is to

1716
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,720
get it out there before the end of the

1717
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,559
year a couple of things

1718
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,880
um you know in terms of the debrief we

1719
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,880
you know we are uh we're about to hit

1720
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,880
our year one mark so we'll try and go

1721
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,400
out with a bang try to get some some

1722
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,240
great new stories get out there maybe

1723
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,119
get some some other stuff uh some new

1724
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:09,359
aspects of it um

1725
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:10,880
as we just kind of continue to grow

1726
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,839
we're kind of at that stage where we're

1727
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,920
you know year two projection and i think

1728
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:18,720
just making it to year one is oddly

1729
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,839
enough sounds like an achievement

1730
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,960
because you're like oh we did it and we

1731
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:22,160
don't want to kill each other we don't

1732
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,200
hate it and we don't want to throw our

1733
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,520
hands up in fact we're still growing and

1734
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,720
people seem to be enjoying what we're

1735
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,680
doing

1736
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,640
and so there's a lot of different things

1737
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:32,640
that are in the works in terms of the

1738
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,440
debrief collectively

1739
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,599
to see year two and growth in different

1740
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:39,280
aspects

1741
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,319
i don't want to get into too much of

1742
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,640
that just because some of it might not

1743
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:44,799
come to into fruition in year two it'll

1744
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,960
turn into like part four of devices i

1745
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,880
know people like where the hell is that

1746
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,880
thing you promised but there are some

1747
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,640
certainly some things and in our and i'm

1748
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,160
very very fortunate to be surrounded by

1749
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,040
some great people uh that that put in

1750
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,799
really great work and have great ideas

1751
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,839
and so

1752
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,359
uh you know

1753
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,200
me i might be like no i just wanna hang

1754
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,880
out why don't we gotta keep doing this

1755
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,640
but they they push and they say now

1756
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,880
let's do this let's do that and so we'll

1757
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,079
definitely be some great things coming

1758
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,079
there i would say uh you know

1759
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,559
hopefully october november

1760
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:15,920
uh

1761
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,079
first of december we'll try to have some

1762
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,319
big some big stuff coming out some new

1763
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,640
stories that's usually my target anyway

1764
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,920
people get frustrated i usually take the

1765
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,200
summers off

1766
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,920
i'm i'm i'm like a reverse bear in

1767
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,000
hibernating i haven't had this

1768
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,240
get more active in the winter months

1769
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,319
ah that's great well listen thank you so

1770
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,720
much for joining us and doing this dual

1771
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,799
live stream i just want to give a shout

1772
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,559
out to everyone as well that's watching

1773
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,720
and probably been asking questions i

1774
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,160
just haven't been able to pay attention

1775
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,920
so i i apologize for that but i hope

1776
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,240
you've enjoyed it and um yeah tim stay

1777
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,319
in touch it'd be great to communicate

1778
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:52,880
and um everybody go and check out the

1779
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,839
debrief is it thedebrief.com

1780
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,039
dot org

1781
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,000
debrief.org yep yeah

1782
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,720
yep and i appreciate it man anymore

1783
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,480
hey take care thank you everyone and